H4 1st conversation of Jorge Barrenechea with an Ummite (summary)

1st CONVERSATION WITH AN UMMITE (Summary) - Jorge Barrenechea, 11 March 1987, from 15:00 to 16:25, duration 1 h 25'

Ummo - Juan Aguirre will receive a letter. Luis Jiménez Marhuenda will receive a letter.
Later he will receive one on the collective Soul.
You have received apocryphal letters from Alicante and Barcelona with foreign stamps.
We do not know those who delivered them. They are a woman from Alicante and a friend of Rafael Farriols.
Because of them (those letters) dissensions, worries and anguish have arisen.
To avoid forgeries, we will write with the same machine that was used to write to Fernando Sesma Manzano, model Hispano Olivetti: Studio 46.
You can check it. It is an old machine with different "pressures" and deformed characters.
In addition, on a ream of yellow paper made on OYAGAA, difficult to imitate. The paper bears the seal of UMMO.
We have left Spain. Which confirms the letter of March 1984
The person (who has brought the reports)... whom we send to one of your sisters. Please do not bother her. She herself wishes to keep her distance... That person depends on the University. If it becomes known, it may harm her career.

Request... We wish to have, in handwritten form, a series of calligraphic samples from the brothers mentioned in the letter we sent you. We beg you to be so kind as to grant our request, simply as a keepsake of you. Bring us some manuscript in ballpoint, fountain pen, etc.

Jorge Barrenechea - Do you then consider graphology effective as a method of personality analysis?

U. - No; it is interesting as a psychometric evaluation, but of very low reliability.
Personal traits are not determined precisely. The biochemical determination of sweat is very reliable, such as the level of butyric acid, sodium chloride, amino acid residues, which depend on the psychophysical state of the subject, not only on his personality but also on his occasional state.
It can be done by gas chromatography.
Consciousness? statistical at times... analyses of the resolution level of chemical trace elements (?), we exceed by 2/3 the rate indices in more reliable chromatographic media ...?...?

JB. - How do you see the outlook for the Earth?

U. - Very gloomy. We are... confronted (?) with the sequence of nucleotides that forms mankind; we can optimise it if new genes can be injected and other polypeptides eliminated from the human being.

JB. - What can we do with the present brain, which co-activates human aggressiveness? Improving the species means improving security.

U. - USSR - USA tension has diminished. A new form of strategic defence in association with Israel and the P. R. of China. The arsenal of strategic missiles will be destroyed. Tactical missiles with a range of 2,000 km will not be destroyed.

JB. - What role does Europe play in the concert of nations? Europe, in March 1985, hardly counts.

U. - West Germany, France, Italy and Great Britain have reached an important level of weight.
US dominance is at this moment declining because of the disarticulation... of the various forces at play. Now Europe, Japan, Israel and the People's R. of China count as well.

JB. - How does Spain stand with respect to the USA?

U. - The USA has at this moment an extraordinary weapon against the terrorist organisation ETA. They help those movements. The Spanish government has its hands tied; Spain's role is weak (the organisation of intelligence is poor). In France intelligence is excellent, as was seen with the ecologist ship.

JB. - What is your opinion of Gorbachev?

U. - He is intelligent and sincere. Capital is necessary; true socialism is incompatible with capitalism. Socialism is excellent, just and ethical.
Freedom... the Soviet era is outdated.
Hungary, a model for the USSR.
It will lead to the appearance of small private companies.
First of all, Marxism-Leninism.
Nicaragua, the UN... Somoza. Somoza's troops are discredited by the crimes and tortures they have committed.
The new strategy of the USA is to create a new opposition inside the country, but without giving up sabotage.

JB. - Cuba?

U. - Very great stability, but a political turn at the death of Fidel Castro.
Fidel Castro's government is not flexible. Although it has a good level of justice, corruption is barely lower than in Spain.

JB. - What is the democratic level?

U. - Independence of the Executive, the Judiciary and the Legislature.
A minority of intellectuals has access to the means of expression: freedom is an illusion.

JB. - The Philippines?

U. - The army sympathises with Marcos and with Imelda in their dreams both of the past and of the future. They have the image of the woman. There is a risk of regression.

JB. - China?

U. - It is a rigorous socialism. It maintains a series of islets or economic regions with a limited market, similar to that of Hungary. The others are of a different level of expression and the pressure of the intellectuals is very high.

USSR... allows itself to curb those freedoms... to have capitalist forms... The end sometimes justifies the means.

Evil...

Lorenz curve

[Graph of the Lorenz curve: income / percentage of population. It can be seen in the French version on ummo-sciences.]

It is much better in the socialist countries.
The socialist countries have high levels of bureaucracy.

JB. - Everything you have told me is so interesting that I would be grateful if you would confirm it to us in writing so we can go deeper into some points, which I have done very badly.

U. - That depends on my sister, to whom I am subordinate.
An observation: we are deeply hurt by the treatment the men of the Earth inflict on their YIEs. The weight of woman... requires the same level of dignity...
The moral laws in this context... respect for women's rights... the co-inculcation of rights.
Another request: avoid internal dissensions by all means, do not have conflicts. No HETERO-HUMILIATIONS. You must not humiliate one another.
Guilt complex. NO. In the end... Quarrels.

JB. - We are your friends (I say). We consider ourselves your friends and your disciples.

U. - Not disciples! Please. You must follow your own civilisation...
An intense disturbance is produced.
Biased interpretation...
No internal dissensions.

Request: Avoid the DISSEMINATION of our writings. Avoid making apologias for us and an excessive sympathy that violates the convention of secrecy. There is dissemination all over Spain.

Remember that we set the level or volume of the data:
- The greatest reserve
- The least dissemination

Photocopies accessible to 1,000 people...

Underlined (?) by us.
We cannot sanction anyone; it is the collectivity...
Your brothers López Guerrero, Antonio Ribera... disseminated...
Although Antonio Ribera, to obtain (to be understood: although Antonio Ribera disseminated in order to obtain) economic results, disturbing the laws of entropy.
The entropy of a network is measured by the level of information reached.
The disturbance... turbulent regime... equal to the laminar regime of a pipe...

In a social network that must self-generate... disturbances coming from the other social networks... violate the moral law.

Ribera disseminated to obtain economic (financial?) results. You cannot know the harm he may have done.
You have no obligation to believe me. We are...

JB. - Do you think we should avoid the (excessive) number of photocopies?
- Juan Aguirre Ceberio
- Rafael Farriols Calvo.

U. - They are not guilty. It is like the mischief of a child playing with fire.
... Cut it short...
In a few days you will receive information on the collective psychism.

(IF THERE IS) TOO HIGH A DISSEMINATION, WE WILL CUT OFF AGAIN.

Give copies only to those closest to you, and warn them that they will not get new copies.
In any case, without coercion, but I warn you of the harm that can be done.

The flow is measured.

JB. - Marxism?

U. - Of all political doctrines, it is the purest.
Marxism suffers from defects. Dialectical materialism is very dogmatic. The sudden birth of a great revolution, Marx and Engels, a great achievement, the eradication of certain social postulates that were unethical.

JB. - Lenin?

U. - ...Considerable work.

JB. - Scientific communism?

U. - It contains errors.

JB. - Dialectical materialism?

U. - A good method. The annihilation of the bourgeois state was a great achievement.

JB. - Dialectical analysis?

U. - The biological analysis of the evolution of the Universe has defects. It leaves aside the transcendent point of view. Critique of praxis... An instrument of domination that destroys the ideological bases of Christianity. It denies the existence of God. The negation of the transcendent.

JB. - You have the divine UMMOWOA.

U. - Yes, but he is a messenger of God. God is a co-participant...
Inspired by God.
Sent by Woa.
That messenger is divine.
He is not (identifiable).
It must not be told to everyone; it may hurt many.

JB. - Then the Holy Spirit...?

U. - No. WOA is the sum of all the information that exists; all the form of information is the Holy Spirit (?) (It represents the symbol of intelligence).

JB. - Then the Holy Trinity?

U. - No... In other universes there is polytheism. Christians have chosen to be monotheists and polytheists.

JB. - What is your opinion of the Vatican?

U. - Very bad. The Pope is a paranoid personality. He is intelligent and good, but he is mentally ill. He is good and noble... torn by the opening of the Second Vatican Council.

JB. - Although we will return to religious subjects, can you tell me something about AIDS?

U. - AIDS was manufactured in a genetic engineering laboratory in OHIO. A select group of African monkeys... one of those monkeys escapes and causes the spread of the virus. Something similar to what happened to us in Albacete. The virus that affects lymphocytes is artificial. The genome of the virus of the possibly infected...
As a bacteriological or virological weapon, we would not want G2. An Rh test... two of the guards were drunk... The male was able to escape and contaminate other apes.
Bacteriological war in Africa and Asia (countries friendly to the USA). The experiment was not done in the USA because the laws there are very strict. They made mistakes.

JB. - Ethiopia?

U. - The famine. The distribution of services follows no scientific model. The increase in population... the growth of goods and services... Changes in distribution... Under those conditions... a one-off situation...

JB. - Birth control?

U. - The moral laws of the old models of scholasticism. It is not an evil. The theological models of scholasticism (pre-scholasticism?) are not capable of... Present-day theologians... People who study in their seminaries and are trained in the old scholasticism.

JB. - Abortion?

U. - It is completely justified provided we determine who should be born... It is a question of conventional ethics whose premises must be set...
The human nature of the foetus, of the morula, of the embryo.
Those conditions of a restrictive nature...
The present population of the Earth is 4,875,000,000. Under those conditions...

But... in certain cases... human cells amputated of an arm (of a chromosome?) (equal to): in the foetus a genome can be grafted onto another nucleus... remove that membrane. For higher reasons, a cell, a morula, an embryo...

At this moment the war between anti-abortionists and abortionists is a demented war.

JB. - Do you have anyone similar to the Virgin?

U. - From the scientific point of view, it is irrational. It must have a symbolic function. The error is to give it a literal interpretation. See Bultmann.
You have a constellation of MYTHS that you must analyse in depth.

JB. - As seems to follow from your reports, did UMMOWOA rise again?

U. - No, he underwent a disintegration, a vaporisation of his...

JB. - A miracle?

U. - No. There was no violation of the physical laws. No miracle. WOA did not annihilate him. However (it can be done)... resurrection can occur; you know that his universal consciousness persists in another brain. It is not a reincarnation. Consciousness can persist in another body (when the characteristics of the individual coincide, as a glove may fit another hand).

JB. - How do we distinguish the soul from consciousness?

U. - When the energy (?)... the Krypton, a reflection is produced, injected into that collective soul. It is the capacity...
When models are compared, when you are able to choose the image, that occurs in the other universe, WAAM of infinite speed of light. A gigantic brain...

In the WAAM-WAAM of infinite speed of light... it is then that the reflection of consciousness occurs... it is injected when it is injected into the soul (?).

JB. - How are all the souls of all the rational beings perpetuated in the WAAM of c = infinity? Can we not communicate with them telepathically?

U. - Because the WAAM-WAAM of c = infinity is divided into cells; it is in some way like a galaxy and other galaxies in a universe. For example, the galaxy of the constellation of Andromeda, which is approximately 2 million light years away (exactly 1,825,626 light years) (it is a metaphorical example), corresponds to a civilisation. It is possible for communication to take place between several collective souls.

JB. - Is there any possibility of begetting a hybrid UMMO-EARTH being?

U. - There is a double impossibility:

1st The chromosomal structure is different.
2nd There is an impossibility of an ethical nature: our YIEs cannot sleep with men.

By genetic manipulation a physical and psychic monster could be created, with Down's syndrome (mongolism).

JB. - Do you have any project to help humanity?

U. - We cannot. We have cured some cases of leukaemia, for example the sister of the woman who will carry the messages (MARIS) and the son of a police superintendent.

JB. - How is the health of our sister Hiltrud Franz?

CUT OFF

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At 17:00 (I had been talking with Juan Aguirre and Dionisio Garrido the whole time) a lady calls me (it was MARIS, the same one who spoke with Jiménez Marhuenda) to tell me that the one who had spoken to me was an extraterrestrial and that he was going to write to me on a sheet of yellow paper (with the imprint) that included an element of extraterrestrial composition. That I cannot be told his name (nor should I ask it), but that she would pass on our greetings. That I should then get ready for a new call (one minute) to make me repeat what I had been told. As she was very impressed by the Ummite conversation, I could not hear her well. What I did not understand is the part about the extraterrestrial element. I think she said that she or her sister was called Mari-Sol.